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| I think this is positive new stuff and box is finally seeing that he needs to go with public view, also I'm not sure yorkcourt actually do own the land, only that they have permission to develop the land.
The land was re-classified out of green belt but I'm not sure it was purchased by or handed over to Yorkcourt.
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Seen the above now so my understanding appears to be incorrect 
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| Quote M62 J30 TRINITY="M62 J30 TRINITY"The only way for the council to come out of this with any credibility is to do what MC suggested and finance the community stadium like Leeds CC are doing with headingley lending the money but getting it back with interest. Everyone's a winner and saves it from going to court.
Up the Trin'"
That isn't going to happen, too much of a risk involved in a sport that relies on sky money to pay the bills by not getting relegated. Remember Leeds have the cricket as well and the lucrative international matches they have there. If it was just the rugby alone the council wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole.
Also MC would be ultimately chasing Yorkcourt for the money to pay it back. We've seen how likely that is to happen.
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| At least Box has said the right thing, which has surprised me.
I remember seeing a quote from him earlier in the year talking about the proposed development near Heath Common, near the new road, and I thought I spotted a subtext about the ground being on there.
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| Quote Sacred Cow="Sacred Cow"That isn't going to happen, too much of a risk involved in a sport that relies on sky money to pay the bills by not getting relegated. Remember Leeds have the cricket as well and the lucrative international matches they have there. If it was just the rugby alone the council wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole.
Also MC would be ultimately chasing Yorkcourt for the money to pay it back. We've seen how likely that is to happen.'"
Under MC's proposal it would be the council chasing York Court not the club. We would just be paying the interest on the loan
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| I am not up to the legal aspect of things like this, however can someone in the know answer this. As part of the deal with taking this land out of greenbelt, was the stadium build, is it possible to put this land back into green belt so it is worthless to Yorkcourt?
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| Quote djcool="djcool"I am not up to the legal aspect of things like this, however can someone in the know answer this. As part of the deal with taking this land out of greenbelt, was the stadium build, is it possible to put this land back into green belt so it is worthless to Yorkcourt?'"
I thought one of the arguments in favour of the ground at the time, one that we used a lot, was that it was due to be taken out of green belt anyway.
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| Quote djcool="djcool"I am not up to the legal aspect of things like this, however can someone in the know answer this. As part of the deal with taking this land out of greenbelt, was the stadium build, is it possible to put this land back into green belt so it is worthless to Yorkcourt?'"
Not sure but those dishonourable barstewards will have made some profit off the Newcold development and have ruined the benefit of it being returned to greenbelt with the white box
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"I thought one of the arguments in favour of the ground at the time, one that we used a lot, was that it was due to be taken out of green belt anyway.'"
I think the argument was that the council had a legal obligation to provide Xsq foot of Commercial Development land and this was a big part of meeting that obligation.
If I recall those against suggested they could meet their obligations with the combination of smaller parcels of land elsewhere
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| I can't see why the council can't take up Daddycools offer, loan us the money for the Stadium, can we pay back over time including interest. Finally if there's planning permission for a stadium built elsewhere, I think planning permission should allow concerts to be held at the Stadium, most cities have stadiums that hold concerts, it will be great for Wakefield to have one too
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| Can't be ar send reading all the way back but I've just received this from David Dagger.
Mick FYI
18 July 2017
For Immediate Release
Wakefield Council responds to new heads of terms issued by Yorkcourt.
“Yorkcourt have let down the Council and the Club but most importantly they have let down the fans and the people of Wakefield.” – that’s the response from the Leader of Wakefield Council following the failure of Yorkcourt Properties Ltd to deliver the written assurance they had led the Council to believe was imminent.
Yorkcourt had previously confirmed their commitment to help deliver a community stadium at Newmarket, and agreed to provide a heads of terms to demonstrate exactly how they will achieve this with the co-operation of all parties.
However the heads of terms that were shared with Wakefield Council and the two Trusts involved with the community stadium, have failed to meet the needs required to take this forward.
The Leader of Wakefield Council, Cllr Peter Box CBE said: “The heads of terms are simply not fit for purpose.
“Despite our best efforts, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the developer has no real intention of making good on the promise to deliver a community stadium.
“I believe we are left with no alternative than to call on Yorkcourt to walk away from Wakefield and the Newmarket scheme and stop letting our residents down.”
Wakefield Council has met with the Club and Trust to explore the available options and it was agreed that they will now work with other parties to move this forward.
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| they would not have to put it back to green belt but they could be very pedantic with planning applications and place numerous obstacles and demands on all future applications that could greatly reduce its potential and value.
However, they made one large booboo when they agreed with Walker in that infamous secret meeting that Newmarket should not be part of the trigger.
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| If York Court do walk away and we need to look into other property developers, could this be something that 88m Group could help with, even if a long stay at BV is out of the question.
Isnt part of their portfolio land and property development, as they probavly want us out of Belle Vue as soon as possible?
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| I will believe Mr box if he says that YorkCourt will not be able to have any developments in the Wakefield area. This includes note further planning permission.
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| Quote djcool="djcool"I will believe Mr box if he says that YorkCourt will not be able to have any developments in the Wakefield area. This includes note further planning permission.'"
They have to do this at the very least. Surely they cannot walk away from this without being punished financially
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| You don't often read sense on the nutjob forum but one thing posted today, I agree with.
Newmarket is dead ! we need a new solution. Even if the council are true to their word, getting Mackie and his involvement out of the way up there could take years, if ever.
The council got us into all this mess, they should get us out of it.
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| It feels a long way off at the monent DJ cool but I do agree regarding concerts.
I was at the Paul Heaton concert that was part of Hulls city of culture celebrations. It was a good concert with 2 other well known acts on too.
Think there was about 23,000 at Craven Park. Think of the revenue streams for the city as a whole potentially with refreshment and maybe stopovers.
We have the Warehouse and Unity Works but neither hold that much of a capacity for over well known bands to perform.
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| So, we're in the bizarre position of having Peter Box as our ally. Weird.
And what next for Rodders? Bluff well and truly called. The wilderness for him, hopefully, and a life ban from our terraces.
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| Have alternative sites or sources of funding been discussed at any point with the council, even just informally? Did the rumour about them offering us some land near the old power station have any substance?
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| Walker looks like a right tool now with all that boasting about what he could do!
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| Quote Tricky2309="Tricky2309"Under MC's proposal it would be the council chasing York Court not the club. We would just be paying the interest on the loan'"
Makes it even less likely, Yorkcourt won't pay it back and leave the council with a large debt to repay rather than us. with all the cuts they have had in recent times they won't, probably can't, take the risk.
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| Quote jakeyg95="jakeyg95"Have alternative sites or sources of funding been discussed at any point with the council, even just informally? Did the rumour about them offering us some land near the old power station have any substance?'"
There was clubs suggestion of the council loaning the money. Even the conservative government believe that spending on infrastructure is good for the economy.
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| Quote djcool="djcool"There was clubs suggestion of the council loaning the money. '"
I'd be absolutely stunned if they agreed to that.
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| I also think that further meetings between the council, the club, the trust and any new developers should be made public
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| Quote djcool="djcool"There was clubs suggestion of the council loaning the money. Even the conservative government believe that spending on infrastructure is good for the economy.'"
subtle difference but the suggestion was the council borrow the money and the club cover the interest and the council pursue York Court to honour their obligation to repay the capital borrowed.
Obviously, the fact everyone seems to accept York Court wont honour anything makes this pretty much a non-starter unfortunately.
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| So when is Councillor Box meeting with the Club & Trust because the clock is ticking , and time is running out to get a new plan in order to satisfy Super league. Sorry but can't see it happening by the end of the month.
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